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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

  1. father .

  2. jesus .

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  Touchofgrey

  https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/pagan-roots-of-the-trinity-doctrine-ed-torrence-2002

  Interesting article about the evolution of the trinity doctrine and its pagan roots.
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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  Touchofgrey

  That the greatest man who ever lived was a fictional character called jesus.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  Love should be based on trust and respect.

  The love that the god of the bible is offering has conditions.

  The tree in the garden of eden placed before Adam and eve, eat from it and die ,if you truly loved someone would you put a test before them .NO .

  Through out the bible god gives laws and conditions to his chosen nation often described as his wife about how they should conduct themselves and even how they should dress a certain way to identify as different from the nations around them as a condition of remaining his chosen people, he actually describes himself as a jealous god ,and gives them numerous rules to live by so they would not lose his love for them.

  In the jesus story he tells people that they should disown their parents brothers and sisters and even their children and follow him as a way to show that they love him. (Abusive and controlling people do that to people that they claim to love )

  So by jesus/god putting conditions that you have to be born again and love him in a certain way is not love based upon trust and respect but on conditions that you have to follow.

  It makes jesus/god a narcissist who demands that people love him or suffer the consequences, he uses physiological manipulation and coercive control over his victims and if you disagree or leave him you will suffer the consequences eg suffer in hell ,whatever that is.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  Typical circular argument back to quoting the bible instead of answering people's questions.

  There was no miracle worker called jesus,so no ransom needed to be paid to anyone.

  The four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events so not eyewitnes accounts that those events happened and that those words were ever uttered.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  but many people would rather spend an eternity in hell rather than to receive his offer.

  Sea breeze can you explain what you mean by spending eternity in hell ?
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  Sin is a imaginary disease invented by religions to sell you an imaginary cure .

  There was no adam so no fall into sin.

  So the imaginary jesus paid a imaginary ransom for your imaginary sin.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  Sea breeze

  you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10: 9

  Is this the same jesus/god who killed millions of men women and children and animal's in the bible flood story because they took no note and just lived their lives.

  Killed the firstborn in Egypt which would have included babies and children.

  Who ordered the genocide of nations so Israel claim the promised land.

  Who allowed slavery?

  Who allowed Israelite soldiers to abuse and rape captive young girls?

  And will soon ride forth on a white horse with his armies and kill men women and children which will include those who have never heard about his forgiveness of sins and his grace because they have been born and raised in the wrong part of the world.

  Did you have a look at the topic regarding if there is any evidence that jesus existed etc ,interested to read any evidence you can provide.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  Biahi

  I read a review of that book, and he believes that the four gospels are eyewitnes accounts that's false, they were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events so not eyewitnes accounts, so there is no evidence that a miracle worker called jesus ever existed.

  Please do some independent research yourself into the evidence or lack of evidence into jesus and the bible in general.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  I started a thread about a month ago.

  What is the evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

  So l have a reprobate mind, that's judgemental of you. Just because I did some independent research into the bible including the gospels as not being eyewitnes accounts and written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events and then followed the facts.

  You sadly are being controlled and manipulated by religious beliefs into what you are told to believe and failings to do logical research with a open mind and then following the evidence to the conclusion that the bible is a creation of man to control and manipulate and extorted time and money from its followers.
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  Touchofgrey

  Sea breeze

  As I have asked you many times Can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that are claimed by yourself.

  The four gospels are written by anonymous authors many decades after the so called events,so they are not eyewitnes accounts.

  Can you please define what you mean by hell?

  Christianity and religion's worldwide use manipulation and coercive control over its followers.

  There are over 45000 Christian denominations worldwide and more than 200 in the USA with different interpretations of the bible and beliefs.